Re: The actualfax $10 bill.

[eldabe]

(x-posted to facebook.)

Listen, Hamilton was a great person and all and it should have be Jackson yanked off a bill, this is true.

But if you let every cool guy stay on things instead of taking opportunities to replace them with women, we'll just...never have women on things. There are LOTS of awesome guys in history. There are also lots of women. You simply will never get to the women if you spend all time time talking about how awesome the men were, ok?

Added for LJ/DW: And I GET being in a fandom. I GET being obsessed with a thing. I even get being in problematic fandoms that don't always jive with the politics and aspirations I have for the real world. But...really. If Hamilton fans keep Hamilton on the $10, we are missing a big opportunity that won't come by for years. (Because that's how long it takes the mint do anything, apparently.)

I know this really needs to be posted on tumblr, where the fans are going nuts about this particular issue, but naaaah. I like it here.

Comments

[eldabe]

I would LOVE such a discussion. Man, I miss good meaty fanfic meta that doesn't just end in 300 tumblr reblogs. Discussion would be nice.

RPF is interesting in that people definitely separate out historical RPF (which is...everything written about historical figures, really) from live-people RPF. And, well, there are people who get way to far off the deep end in RPF, lots of them in fandom. But in order to shove the real complexities of an actual human being into the limits of a fictional work, you lose something of the real person. Which is fine, so long as we keep that critical discussion going. <3

I do think a lot of the fans are getting really passionate about the actualfax historical dude as well, not just the LMM version. And like, he was a pretty good dude for his time! He deserves to be more remembered than Jefferson! But, bigger picture here!

[lannamichaels]

I would LOVE such a discussion. Man, I miss good meaty fanfic meta that doesn't just end in 300 tumblr reblogs. Discussion would be nice.

See, I feel as if RPF fandom has had that talk basically forever, and it's sort of ongoing (there was a great analogy last year(?) on Slash Report about Levels Of Orange In Orange Juice vs. Orange Drink when it comes to RPF, and then, well, Patrick Kane and hockey RPF fandom this summer), but, like, people who are not in RPF fandom, but have found themselves in a fandom that is RPF have never really had to deal with this before? Like, SO MUCH OF HOLLYWOOD is blatant RPF, and some of the stuff they do just gets passed off as "what really happened" and that gives us some very interesting lies sometimes... anyway, I have rants as someone who has been in RPF fandom for a while, and watches the world Judge RPF Fandom As Perverts And Weirdos while conducting its own unacknowledged RPF fandom with much less navel-gazed morals/community standards. (ex: tabloids, and then we even get into "reality" shows).

As for that cumberbitches thing, that seems to be straight up actor fandom, people who are obsessed with the actor and want to see themselves in a relationship with them, or are reenacting tabloid culture. Doesn't seem to necessarily be the folks who ship him with Martin Freeman (although there's likely some overlap. LOTRPS had its share of tinhatters who truly believed in their pairings being HIDDEN BY THE MAN. Which gave us the eternal pastede on yay ;) ).

[eldabe]

Fair, I'm 100% totally not in RPF fandom, so I really would have no idea if these conversations are happening. :D I've been in fandoms with like, shades of RPF fic of the actors, but I'll read one or two and then drift on, totally not the same thing. I would love to hear your thoughts, because it's been really interesting watching the Hamilton fandom stumble around these issues (with the occasional person going "that's not how really happened and also they were all white" bursting in.)

The World Judgement sucks though. :(

Although...what's the line between RPF and actor fandom? I sort of always assumed it was just an extreme end of RPF fandom, like people who actually believe in Hogwarts were the extreme end of normal HP fandom. And they would sort of drift into the more mainstream stuff sometimes, or feed off it, because not every corner of fandom is healthy. (Which is fine, not a commentary on RPF fandom, which I will totally defend.)

I DO remember the LOTR fans tinhatting stuff, although, yeah, I saw it in LotR fandom spaces that I was floating around. I guess the lines between these fandoms are more malleable than they feel sometimes. IDK, I'm a total noob to this entire giant side of fandom, so I guess I should start digging around for some good metas before I start acting like I have any idea what I'm talking about!